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Brannon Howse: Joining me now is Steve Friend. He's an FBI whistleblower. He's been on this broadcast many times. And perhaps you saw him testifying before a House congressional committee a few weeks ago. We had him and his colleague, Kyle Serafin, on both of them just a few weeks ago. He's back tonight. It's in an article to him and wanted his response. And I wrote to ask him the question, and that is this. Is there a psychological background test or analysis done for someone to be in the FBI? Could we have FBI agents that are not mentally sound? Is that even possible? That and the new article out today by my friend Todd Bensman. I don't know if you've seen it or not, but Todd dealt with this for a whole hour on my show today. Read through the article, and comment on it. It's a very shocking article. And that's about an FBI analyst that was talking to terrorist suspects before she went to work for the FBI. Apparently, they didn't vet her very well. And then she went to work for the FBI, had access to all kinds of secret data and files, and was apparently doing searches for them and giving them files.

Brannon Howse: ,She just got sentenced to four years. Now, the media tried to use this story last week, precluding all the stuff about her doing work for the Islamists. They didn't put that in there. They said she had files she wasn't supposed to have and she's going to jail now for four years. And they said, see, this is what awaits what awaits President Trump. Well, number one, under the presidential act, I think he can he can declassify these and he's fine. Number one. Number two, they didn't tell you I saw the headline about this agent being sentenced. And therefore, here's the fate for Donald Trump. They didn't tell you what she was doing, that she was taking files that were violating national security that she was not supposed to have access to and doing things for Islamist groups. They didn't tell you all that in the backdrop, according to the article I read today by Todd Benjamin, who's going to join us right after Kyle. I mean, right after Stephen Friend. But Kyle joins us. Steve is my guest tonight, Steve friend joins us first. Steve, welcome to the broadcast. Thanks for joining us.

Steve Friend: Thank you very much for having me, Brannon.

Brannon Howse: So you read the article. What do you make of this?

Steve Friend: I think there are a lot of things, a lot of factors at play here. If you read that article plus some other literature that's out there, one of the first things that struck me was the fact that this intelligence analyst turned herself in to the FBI because she suspected that she was under surveillance when in fact, she was not. I think that as so, you know, we want to talk about being an incompetent agency from beginning to end. You allowed an individual who likely has some sort of mental affliction into your ranks. And having gone through the process to become hired by the FBI, which for me was four years long, I never underwent a psychological evaluation during that time. I was a police officer, went through the full gauntlet there, took the 700 plus question, met with a psychiatrist to ensure that I was sound of mind and could carry a gun and and handle the stress of that job. But the FBI never made me undergo that. They were more interested in having me do this strange application and meeting with agents from across the country and answering odd questions about if I was ever in a specific situation where people in the group disagree with me and convince the group to change their mind and what was the result of that? So just not really digging into any sort of mental issues that somebody might have and might make them predisposed to engaging in activities as we saw from this analyst here.

Steve Friend: If it's not, in fact, a motivation that's outside of that, where she has allegiance to an outside actor. So that was the first thing that struck me. And and secondly, it's the length of time that this investigation went. I know some of the individuals who were involved with this case, and this was a years long investigation in order to pull out, I think, a few hundred top secret, top secret or classified documents. Well, they've put this into turbo drive with President Trump. They're certainly not going to let him lay in the weeds and await any sort of legal action against him for 5 or 6 years. So I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison.

Brannon Howse: No, I don't either. So she was reported when I read the article today by Todd Bensman, she was reportedly having conversations with folks that were potentially terrorist, you know, targets. They were being investigated for potential terrorist activity. She was having conversations with them before she ever got hired by the FBI. If they vetted her and I'm guessing maybe they didn't or maybe they wanted her in there, I don't know. But. How can a woman be having conversations with these kind of people on her phone records and then still get hired by the FBI? Are they not doing are they not combing through your phone calls?

Steve Friend: Well, I don't know the extent to which they're able to actually look through individual phone calls without a sort of court process and probably argue the opposite. Should be in play for something like 702 when FISA warrants. So really, the only way that they know she was talking to an a foreign terrorist threat would be if they weaponized the 702 process to identify her as somebody who was having those conversations. But they're supposed to be a rigorous vetting process that goes on. The FBI prides itself on it involves these polygraph exams, and it's supposed to be some sort of full scale background check. And that didn't happen here. This was somebody who was in contact with these people who were already on the FBI's radar. And you would think if those investigations were being carried forward properly, that they would monitor the communications that those guys had to see if it was reaching within the shores of the United States. But again, it was a failure before she was hired. It was a failure while she was in an employee. And and now she's been suspended for several years since this case came about. And think that the fact that they've only been able to bring this this this sentencing recently when it was going to be oh so convenient for a political narrative against President Trump indicates that there was not an appetite for pursuing a criminal charges against her, to begin with, but it was just politically expedient for them to do so now.

Brannon Howse: Wow. Now, are you saying that we may indeed have mentally ill FBI agents on the job tonight?

Steve Friend: I Yes, that's my contention. And don't think you need to look much further than the things that I've been able to expose in the last few months that the FBI has sort of cultivated this Silicon Valley startup atmosphere where we all kind of chuckle at what's going on. But a few weeks ago, the outgoing executive assistant director, Jennifer Moore, who oversaw the human resources branch, left a parting gift for her colleagues in the form of three paid hours per week for them to not work, not do the work on behalf of the American people, but instead to focus on their mental wellness during those times. Now, to work at the FBI, you have to be able to hold a security clearance. If you have a mental wellness issue or complication, I don't think that you're in a position to actually have that security clearance. I don't want you as far away from possible as possible from any sort of information that might prove damaging to national security. I have empathy for you. I want you to seek the help that you need in this case. But you are not to be doing the work on the behalf of the American people in that case. But nevertheless, Jennifer Moore saw fit that every single employee now has access to that. And that's in keeping with the consistent pattern that we've seen, where there are rooms in the Los Angeles field office where there's massage chairs available and yoga sessions and there's signage on the walls in the Newark field office where there are also massage chairs. But the signs encourage them and say that it's okay not to be productive today and just to work on yourself. So chuckle away as you will at it because it's pretty ridiculous. It's just one of slice of avocado toast away from being Silicon Valley within the FBI. But these are major concerns. These people are supposed to be serious people doing serious work on behalf of the country. And if those sorts of accommodations are necessary, then I think that there's a serious mental health issue within the FBI.

Brannon Howse: So. So an FBI agent that knocks at your door with a badge and a gun or even tries knocking down your door, you may be dealing with someone who's not only outside the law, but outside of their mental framework. I mean, you may be dealing with a psychopath. I mean, wow, Talk about a threat. A psychopath with a Swat team.

Steve Friend: Well, in my experience, the only way that the Employee assistance program works, and that's for somebody who you fear might have some sort of mental illness issue that's going on, it might be depression or anxiety or what have you that is used as a cudgel to go after people. So when I came forward, all levels of my supervisors encouraged me to seek counseling assistance from the Employee assistance program, and that was for them to weaponize eventually later, because refusing to do something. If in my case, I was refusing to get the help that I needed, but if I went to go get help at their behest or their request, then was a mental patient and shouldn't be taken seriously. So it is a damned if you do, damned if you don't the situation for people who genuinely do need the help. But again, if you do need the help, you do not need to be inside the four walls of any office space that has an FBI banner on it.

Brannon Howse: Yeah, I know. The old Soviet Union used to try to classify their political enemies as mentally unstable and then institutionalize them. So, I mean, this is a Marxist tactic as well. Um, signage. You have the don't worry if you're not productive today. Yoga classes, massage chairs, and three hours a week of paid mental health. Time to go work on your mental health. Who would have ever thought this would happen in the FBI, of all places, Steve?

Steve Friend: Well, I certainly didn't. That's not why I signed up. I signed up to put bad guys in jail, and that was my focus from day one and spent every waking moment that I did in the employ of the FBI pursuing that as my goal. But unfortunately, it's a government job for a lot of people. And now they're getting these perks. And, you know, I've named a few and left out recently the security division, which again, under the human resources branch and at the time run by Jennifer Moore, was offering lunchtime chair yoga and painting lessons and coloring books for employees to partake in. And I think that that was just so they could create a congenial environment that would foster good mental health. And this is just too all too common within the FBI nowadays. And it's pretty scary for people who have legitimate and a serious mission, that is to keep the American people safe. And they are not doing that.

Brannon Howse: Well, how have the results been so far from your testimony a few weeks ago? I mean, it went viral all over the place when you and the others, whistleblowers, FBI whistleblowers were testifying before Congress went everywhere. Great job. By the way. I think you are on with us a night before that from DC with Kyle Serafin. What has been the outcome of that testimony?

Steve Friend: Well, I've had some outreach from members of Congress who were seeking recommendations for them to use the Holman Rule, and that is going to be zeroing out salaries for people who have been bad actors within the FBI and maybe even canceling out some of the programs that were there. So I think there are some members of Congress who are taking their role in this weaponization select subcommittees very seriously. And then from a personal standpoint, there was this give-and-go that we had established. Kyle had taken the lead on that, but it was not any money that hehe pulled from that or I because I'm gainfully employed at this point. We raised money though, for for the others, for Garrett O'Boyle and Marcus Allen. And we received between 10 and 11,000 small donations in the week and week and a half after our hearing and raised over half $1 million for those two gentlemen. So we're going to be able to make them whole. Yeah. And we actually found out today through conversations through Congressman Gaetz, he connected us to an attorney and we've established a 500 and 1C4. So there's not going to be any tax consequences where they're going to go after Kyle Serafin for having done the good thing. And we're not going to have to waste money on attorneys or accountants. Those donations are going to go directly to the people who need it the most, which is going to be Garrett and Marcus. And we're going to make them whole and hold back a fairly sizable war chest for the next individual because it's our contention and a firm belief that nobody who comes forward and does the right thing and respects their oath of office should suffer any sort of financial hardship. Their family should not go hungry because they did the right thing. So if there's anybody out there in a position to to come forward with information that they feel is helpful, you can rest assured that our group will have your back.

Brannon Howse: Wow. That's awesome. Congratulations. Finally, how is the book doing? True Blue is out. How is it doing?

Steve Friend: It's doing well. Certainly after it launched, it was published on the 13th and hit number one in hardback and e-book and audiobook. It was all in the top five of the new releases and publishers telling me that he's seen some good things so far. I'm waiting on the final figures or what have you, but I'm new to the book writing experience. But to get to see that it has a number one buy in any category is very exciting to me. And my wife gave me a late Father's Day present with personalized pens for me to give signed copies to people in a case that says World's Greatest Author. 2023.

Brannon Howse: That's a great wife you got there. Let me show you the cover there, folks. It's on Amazon. You can get it. True Blue Ford by Miranda Devine. Introduction by my friend Terry Turchie, who was on just, what, two weeks ago making news about his investigation into the Unabomber and that Merrick Garland wanted the guy released. He wanted the Unabomber released. It might be violating some of his rights. You guys need to release him. Terry Turchie also did the introduction. Steve Friend is the author. My Journey from Beat Cop to Suspended FBI Whistleblower Steve Friend. You get it as a hardcover. You can get it as an e-book, you can get it as an audio book. Amazon.com or where books are sold. True Blue by Steve Friend, Steve, and Friend. Did I leave anything out?

Steve Friend: No, I think we got to it all. I'm anxious to hear from the author of that article. I think he's going to have something really interesting to bring to the table.

Brannon Howse: Absolutely. And while we just heard from Todd, he says he can't do it, but he's going to. Something just came up. He's going to reschedule. So we will get him rescheduled. But he just texted me. All right, Steve, thanks for being with us.

Steve Friend: Thank you very much for having me. And thanks to the audience for supporting me.

Brannon Howse: Absolutely. And supported by going getting a copy of True Blue by Steve Friend.

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